46. Settling the Real Issue

He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night… (NKJV).

The doctrine of eternal damnation. This is a topic about which I have written very little.

When I did not know that my Father shares every moment of my life with me, I lived in torment and I had no rest day or night even though I knew the presence of Jesus. It seemed to me that knowing the Father, that is, as Jesus said, eternal life, was more important to me than any mental idea.

Hell – in His Presence!!! There are only two ways any human can know God and the Bible. The most common way is through the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, through mental argument and tacked together doctrines, a way we have known very well. In fact, this was the only way I knew until February of 2008 when I was 51 years old. Yet all those previous decades WERE IN THE PRESENCE of Jesus. Wow.

To hold to knowing God through the knowledge of good and evil is HELL!!! It is a relentless examination of self that can only be translated as torment. The other way to know God and the Bible is through the Tree of Life, that is, to receive Jesus in ALL.

Not Interested. Jesus said, “Take heed how you hear.” Paul said that the words of the Bible can impart Life [Christ] OR they can kill.

I have not written much on the topic of “eternal damnation” versus “ultimate reconciliation,” because I am not interested in weaving together intellectual argument using broken apart Bible verses, because I’m not interested in “proving” that what ain’t, ain’t. Intellectual ideas about what is and what ain’t cannot impart LIFE. I find NO difference in responses to Jesus among either group. Paul’s gospel, that is, the Father’s purpose, settles it for me.

Paul’s End of All Things. Here is Paul’s gospel. – Now, when He [Father God] shall have placed all under Him [Christ Jesus], then also the Son Himself will be placed under the One having placed all under Him, so that God may be all inside of all (1 Corinthians 15:28).

That inside of the name of Jesus, every knee should bow, every heavenly knee, every earthly knee, and every under-earthly knee and every tongue should speak the same thing, that is, the Lord Jesus Christ penetrating into the glory of God the Father (Philippians 2:10-11).

This is the apostolic Gospel Word that rules absolutely all other understanding of the topic.

God’s Goal. And then – For the earnest expectation, the eager anticipation of the creation awaits intently for the unveiling, that is, removing the cover from off of the sons of God. Indeed, the creation was made subject to vanity and purposelessness, not willingly, but through being subjected on the basis of the hope that creation itself will also be made free from the slavery of decay into the freedom and liberty of the glory of the children birthed out from God. Indeed, we are aware that the entire creation groans together and travails together until now (Romans 8:19-22).

God’s only goal is creation made free, God all inside of all.

The Rule of Spin. It’s a question of spinning Bible verses to fit. All thinking inside the tree of death can be described as “spin.” “To spin” means to weave together a set of carefully selected facts/verses in such a way as to control how everyone thinks about a certain issue. This spin also leaves out a large number of inconvenient facts/verses that might point to an entirely different explanation. In this way, truth is used to support a lie, as in the serpent’s words in the garden.

In complete contrast, I have found all thinking inside the Tree of Life to be utter trust coming through “Let it be to me according to Your Word.”

Still Not Interested. God’s universe is a universe of LIFE. Here is life, according to Jesus’ definition. – All shall know Me.

Now, I had initially titled this lesson “Settling a Great Issue,” thinking that I would set forth my rendition of the assertion that the Bible does not teach eternal damnation. Having arrived here, I realize that I’m still not interested. For a better argument against false thinking than I want to work at, read Preston Eby on Revelation 14:11 at Kingdom Bible Studies, here, and here.

Nonetheless, having arrived at Revelation 14, I see that verse 11 is part of an entirely different Word and carries an entirely different meaning than anything I have yet known.

From the Firstfruits to the Harvest. I then changed the title of this lesson to “Settling the Real Issue.” At the same time, I suddenly saw all of Chapter 14 as one whole, that everything fits perfectly together, and thus a title one could give to the whole chapter would be “From the Firstfruits to the Harvest.” And that concept is completely from the Gospel.

I will keep the present title of this lesson because I do want to focus on the REAL issue, an issue that has two parts. First we will look at the outward part and then the inward. This lesson will provide one box for the upcoming Jesus Secret page, “We Reap the Harvest,” titled “The Real Issue.”

What the Father Wants. Most deeper truth Christians I have known despise their lowly state and lust after becoming something superior. They then call their unthankfulness and their lust for superiority, “God” and “of God.” They then define “the manifestation of the sons of God” as superior people doing powerful things while forcing compliance. I suspect that these people will bring more grief to the true sons of God than any other group.

The REAL issue is – WHAT does the Father WANT? The Father does not want to make us better than He did; He places a relatively low value on “miracles”; and He does not want to force compliance which is the tree of death.

Father as Love Made Visible. What God wants is so very clear and True. God wants Jesus, every Word He speaks, proven faithful and true in the eyes and knowing of all. – And that is clearly confirmed by Paul’s “end of all things.” And Jesus’ proven Faithful and True is ONE THING ONLY in outward appearance – Christians on this earth loving one another as Jesus loves us.

This goal is EVERYTHING; it is the only thing. It is the Father made visible and known. But Father made visible and known cannot happen until the inward REAL issue is resolved.

Knowing Jesus Sent. The inward REAL issue that must be resolved before “love one another” stands forth as Christian Community, as Jerusalem upon the earth, is knowing Jesus Sent into us. Knowing Father made visible as Love among us comes out from only one thing, that one thing is many believers in Jesus, each one knowing Jesus Sent into them.

God has no other Gospel and no other goal.

Suddenly we see Revelation 14 as another powerful demonstration of how God accomplishes this intense goal over the next few years. Actually, it is just a different view of the critical elements found in Revelation 12. Now we must look again at knowing Jesus Sent into us.

The State of All Believers. The issue, then, is the individual story of self, how each person thinks about themselves. But in this present dispensation, we are concerned only with believers in Jesus.

Each believer in Jesus is redeemed fully and absolutely. The Lord Jesus has come into full union with each believer, and each is coming utterly and only out from Him. Each believer in Jesus lives utterly inside of the Father, and the Father lives inside of each. The problem is simple. – They don’t think so. Yet that in itself cannot be the problem, because Jesus IS all. The real problem is the other-than-Jesus thoughts replacing the truth.

Change Your Story of Self. Do not share the same outward pattern of expression with this age but be metamorphosed [that is, share the same pattern of expression with Christ Jesus], by the renewing of your mind [by the change of your story of self]… (Romans 12:2).

The phrase “share the same outward pattern of expression” is one Greek word – syschēmatizesthe. Let’s translate four Greek words into English so that we can see them clearly. These four are critical to Paul’s gospel. Symmorphosed – Metamorphosed – Symschematized – Metaschematized. All four Greek word parts have become part of English. Sym – Meta – Scheme – Morph.

Simple Concepts – Absolute Reality. The concepts are simple.
Morph – Form – inward shape, already all.
Schema – fashion – outward appearance – changes.
Sym – together with – already all.
Meta – spending time together – effects a change.

These concepts are based upon one absolute reality, however, and that is JESUS inside of us. Jesus – a life giving Spirit, one Spirit with us. Jesus – the Word made flesh, one flesh with us. Jesus – every Word God speaks, living, energeoing, and penetrating. Jesus – sustaining all by His power-filled Word. Jesus – our Savior and our Friend.

Be in Tune with Jesus. We must continue. Jesus – the One who causes us to know the Father made Personal, sharing our life with us. Jesus – Truth, that is, the One who makes known the REAL.

Now, our almost English word – Symschematized – is the only one Paul uses negatively. And its meaning is very clear. My translation is accurate to the full meaning of the word, but I also like J.B. Phillips translation – “Do not let the world press you into its mold.” Paul is saying – “Become completely in tune with the REAL Jesus inside of you, who shares all with you.” The problem is that many like the tune they sing with this world.

A Layout of Thoughts. The issue is simple. – From whence comes your story and definition of yourself? There are two choices only, from Jesus your only life or from the spinning narratives of the vast web of interrelationships among humans and demons.

Let’s create a diagram of the kinds of thoughts spinning around in the mind of a particular Christian. We must include all reaction-response thoughts as well, that is, how the mind responds when hit hard with something hurtful. (The differing column widths do not signify anything.)



From Jesus to Danger. Jesus lives inside the hearts of all who belong to Him, and thus every believer does have many true thoughts out from the Lord Jesus. Mistaken ideas are simply part of being normal humans.

There is much pressure of outward appearance from the world that is important to a person up to a certain extent, but which anyone who loves Jesus will drop the moment they realize it’s a choice between Him or that. The great danger is those thoughts of self coming from the press of the outward appearance of the world that block and even cast down the true knowing of Jesus Sent
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Three Angels. We are finally ready for the central verses of Revelation 14. These central verses are the transition in-between the Firstfruits and the Harvest.

Three angels come into the vision, and these three angels each proclaim something, three things laid out in precise succession. And yes, there is a terrible warning here. It is a terrible warning because there are two harvests, one in and one out. As Jesus said of two sitting or working side by side, one will be taken out and the other will remain in. The arguments for or against eternal damnation block people from knowing what God really means, which is vital.

Three Proclamations. Because God’s warnings are dragged instantly by false thinking into a death definition of everything, few stop to ask what God actually means inside of LIFE. Instead, they get rid of God’s warnings. I must know what God means.

Angel 1: Proclaiming the age-unfolding gospel.
Angel 2: Proclaiming Babylon the Great is fallen prostate.
Angel 3: Proclaiming a torment in the presence of Jesus.

One thing only will take a Christian out from the thinking of the tree of death and into living only inside the Tree of Life, and that is Jesus Himself giving that person to eat of Life, of Himself, entirely through faith. – Let it be to me. – I am.

The First Proclamation. Here is the entirety of the first proclamation. – Having the age-unfolding gospel to proclaim upon those sitting upon the earth, to proclaim it upon every ethnic family and tribe, language and people, saying in a great voice, “Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come. And worship the One who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of waters.”

The implication is that the age-unfolding Gospel, the Gospel of Life, of All-Salvation Now, inside of Jesus, has never really been preached before. Truly, I did not fully know the age-unfolding Gospel until I was writing the Jesus Secret pages for John 14:20.

The Age-Unfolding Gospel. Living inside of Jesus is my Way to connect with the Father sharing my life with me. Jesus living inside of me is the Father’s Way to connect with me sharing His life with Him, that God might enter creation through me. Life itself is my Way, moment by moment and step by step, not ‘to’ something, but rather life-unfolding, the living and dynamic expression of God with me unveiled new every morning forever.

I, and my relationship with Father, have never been the same since I wrote these words. Out from this Gospel came the words “Daniel, I have loved you with an everlasting Love,” and my ability to give God all of myself in return.

The Valley of Decision. The proclamation of this Gospel to all ethnic families in every region of the world causes a great disturbance in the heavens, a great opening up, a great valley of decision. Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision (Joel).

Because of death thinking, Christians imagine that the proclamation of the “age-unfolding gospel” forces compliance upon everyone. – “Obey or die.” Because of death thinking, the big OBVIOUS is left out. – Millions upon millions RUSHING into Life.

Another way to call this event is the opening of the Doors of Tabernacles, that God’s people might live inside of God.

The Real Urgency. Now, “obey or die” is not completely wrong; rather, it is truth spun into the support of the lie. Here is how we say the true. – “Run into Jesus-All-Now or remain in the awfulness of death, of sin as your ‘source.’” Or – “Put the Lord Jesus Christ upon yourself, upon all you are, or remain in the opposition of Nicene thinking.” Or – “Live with Jesus, inside of Jesus or continue to live with anti-Jesus inside of Jesus.”

We understand that millions of Christians, born again and even Spirit-filled, will refuse to enter the Feast, yet Jesus continues living as them, carrying them all the way through.

The Second Proclamation. Here is the full proclamation of the second angel. – “Fallen prostrate, fallen prostrate, is Babylon the great, for she has given to all ethnic families to drink of the wine of passion for her immorality.”

We will wait for a later lesson to define the awfulness that Nicene theology holds in its golden cup. That awfulness is the mixture of truth and lies, precious Gospel truths mixed with wicked offence against God. For our purposes here, we see that the proclamation of the All-Salvation of Jesus coincides directly with the exposure of the false as false.

The Third Proclamation. Then the third angel. – “If anyone worship the beast and its image, and receives a mark upon his forehead or upon his hand, …he will be examined inside of fire and sulphur, in the presence of devoted angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their examination arises into the unfolding of the ages, and they shall not have rest day and night…”

If I could describe the condition of my soul through the 1990’s, there would be no more accurate words than “examined inside of fire and sulphur,” And “smoke of examination always arising.” And “no rest day or night.” Yet I KNEW the Lord!!! I lived in His presence!

Examined in Torment. WHY? Why – why – why?

BECAUSE in the spring of 1990, at the age of 33, I surrendered myself to the doctrine that my will is at war against God’s will and God’s will is at war against my will, that there is something terribly wrong with me! I surrendered my mind to Nicene Calvinism, yet Jesus remained present in the knowing of my heart. Through those years, I examined myself in torment, searching for the terrible source of “what was wrong with me,” blaming much in my past, and crying out, “God save me,” yet unable to believe that He already had.

Death Thinking Will Always Torment. It truly was the awfulness of those years that set me RUNNING as fast as I could go into Christ my only life, and I did not stop until I knew the age-unfolding gospel. Now I just rejoice in my Father sharing every part of my life with me, with every next step He and I take together coming out from joy and reaching out to include many.

Here is what I take from this terrible warning. Yes, forever and ever, the choice to partake of word under your control in order to control others, that is, knowing good and evil, WILL result in torment, even though all live only inside of the presence of Jesus. “You are free to think death, but it will always torment you.”

Whom Do You Love? What then about – “If anyone worship the beast and its image, and receives a mark upon his forehead or upon his hand?” Yes, option number 2, the tree of knowing good and evil, is increased and made outwardly visible now in the fulness of times. Nonetheless, it’s still the same thing it’s always been.

– Loving an identity crafted out from the spin of this world rather than loving the identity of Christ alone. –

All that is evil remains partaking of the wrong source, in imagination only, for all exist only by the good-speaking of Jesus and inside of the Spirit of God. John’s vision CANNOT be anything other than the Gospel.

Who Am I? We must simplify the real issue and make it personal. The real issue is the answer to Jesus’ question, “Who do you say that I am.” The answer cannot be “theological,” it must be personal. Thus the statement, “Jesus is coming back very soon,” is truly anti-Christ, a “Jesus” driven far away.

“Daniel, who do YOU say that I am? Daniel, who am I, right now, to you?” I refer you back up to “One Absolute Reality” – “Jesus, You are INSIDE OF me.” I have no other source, no other connection, no other expression, no other completion.

The Real Issue. Christ Jesus as Word is God's Seed planted into the earth, into the Church, from which alone comes the True harvest. The real issue facing each human is one's personal response to Jesus. - Who is Jesus to me? - Jesus lives in my heart as a life-giving Spirit and as every Word God speaks. Jesus is my all-connection with God, having cleansed me absolutely by His Blood. I receive Jesus as my only life, source, and completion. Jesus makes me just like Himself. I follow Him as a living sacrifice to God for the sake of my brethren. I know Him as He is in the midst of our life together. I see Him in the face of His Church.

Into the Apocalypse. Here is the perseverance of the devoted ones, those watching over the completion of God and the faith of Jesus. I heard a voice out of heaven saying, “Write, blessed are the dead inside of the Lord, those dying from now on.” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “So that they will rest from their toil; for their works accompany them.”

There is only one death and one dying, the already-finished cross of Christ, the entrance into all that is life and rest. And so the first part of the harvest is set forth as a reaping into the Feast of Tabernacles, into a Church clothed with the Lord Jesus, into living as All-Salvation now, into reciprocal love, into the apocalypse of Jesus Christ.

Reading for Next Time. The next lesson is titled, “Resolving the Curse.” For that lesson, read Genesis 3. Also, read Romans 5 in the JSV. Do not read Romans 5 in any other translation.

For the first time I know what GRACE is, being fully practiced in how it actually works. I also see how Nicene Christianity teaches those who love sin to use God’s attempts to save them in order to throw pain back upon Him for no reason whatever. Such a mind is able to read even the JSV and use it to attack God.

Where sin and falling short of God abounded, Grace hyper-abounded. (Grace is another word for Father.).

Let’s Pray Together. “God, our Father, we give ourselves to You for Your own purposes. We trust utterly inside of You. Father, You have brought us out of the torment we once knew even as we lived inside of Jesus, into this Salvation and Grace in which we are now connected with You.

“Father, in our weakness and vulnerability, we give You thanks inside of and for the sake of all our lack, trusting utterly that You are sharing all with us and that our every step, even in limitation, is the unfolding of Your Kingdom. Yet inside of our thanksgiving, we expect You to arise, to set our way upon high, and to give us our brethren in JOY.

“Inside of the name of Jesus, we see and call forth thousands of pastors right now seeing Your Salvation, the Lord Jesus sent into Your people. They are seeing the demonism of ‘eternal damnation’ and the glory of Your knowledge coming to all. Inside of the name of Jesus, we see and call forth millions of believers in Jesus all across the earth right now seeing Jesus Sent into them, right now closing their mouths concerning themselves, right now entering through the cross into all the Life of Christ.

“With the ability You have given us, oh Father, we proclaim out from the heavens Your age-unfolding Gospel, this wondrous sharing of life with You that is Your Grace. It is even as we speak, Father, for You have answered us.”